Well, that sucked. Second place Tigers take on the Indians. Sorry for the short note. Someone please post the lineups when avail. Headed to the Mavs game.
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Game 2015: White Sox at Tigers
Well, I tuned in just in time to hear Abreu’s grand slam (man was Dan defeated the minute the ball hit the bat), which really was the icing on the cake for the White Sox. Sanchez was bad from the get go, barely getting through the 1st unscathed after stranding runners on 2nd and 3rd. He was beat up for 4 earned in the 3rd, and plastered for another 5 in the 4th while only recording 1 out. It was a throw-away game for Sanchez, and he’s going to have a few this season. On the positive side, the Tigers are rolling even in spite of his two terrible starts.
But the season marches on and the Tigers are still primed to take a series from a division foe, which is always the goal.
Someone please post the lineups in the morning.
Game 2015.11: White Sox at Tigers
Was he safe? According to Dan & Jim, the tag was there ahead of Castellanos. According to the White Sox dugout coaches, they weren’t sure. Not before the time to appeal the play had expired and the call was finalized, anyway. But the White Sox internal replay system not moving quick enough is not the real issue, it’s that Ventura should have challenged the play no matter what, considering the circumstances. Let’s hope that Ausmus learned something.
Well, the Tigers are now off to the same 9-1 start as the ’11, ’68, and ’84 Tigers. In case you’re not thinking clearly this morning, the ’68 and ’84 seasons ended with a World Series championship.
So things are going as well as the could, let’s just enjoy the ride. There was a little chatter on yesterday’s thread expressing displeasure with situational hitting. Let’s not get ahead of ourselves here. The Tigers are first in the Majors in OPS with RISP at .975, 8th in RISP with two outs (.849), and 6th in R3L2o (1.016). TL;DR: The Tigers are mashing the ball right now.
Sale v. Sanchez today, don’t expect too many runs on the board. Perez gets his first start of the season. Baseball Reference Game Preview here.
1. Davis, CF
2. Kinsler, 2B
3. Cabrera, 1B
4. Martinez, V DH
5. Marinez, J.D. RF
6. Cespedes, LF
7. McCann, C
8. Perez, 3B
9. Iglesias, SS
Game 2015.10: White Sox at Tigers
Not a lot of time this morning, but I’ll just say that so far so good. Hard to find fault with any part of the Tigers club so far, everything is going our way. Even the calls seem to be. But good teams will have streaks like this, just don’t get too down when we lose a few in a row. It’s a long season.
No update on Verlander…I don’t think he’s coming off of the DL anytime soon.
Here are the weekend probables.
(all times Eastern)
Friday 1:08 PM: Samardzija v. Price
Saturday 1:08 PM: Sale v. Sanchez
Sunday 1:08 PM: TBD v. Greene
Game 2015.6: Tigers at Indians
5-0! What do you know!
Though that’s only good enough for tied in the AL Central as the Royals also won yesterday to stay unbeaten.
The offense was relentless last night, coming back once from behind, and then putting up 4 huge runs in the top of the 9th. We could definitely empathize with the Indians fans in the top of the 9th. Allen may not have another inning like that all season. But give credit to the Tigers’ hitters as they worked counts, went the opposite way, and rescued the staff. Price was probably good enough to win, though the runs did come after his error.
Kyle Lobstein takes the ball today for the Tigers. He was called up on April 8th when JV was placed on the DL. Speaking of JV, he felt “fine” after a throwing session yesterday, so hopefully he’ll be ready to go when his spot comes up on the 22nd at home against the Yankees.
In other news:
– VMart said that the knee wasn’t really an issue and he’s not concerned.He’s still in today’s lineup. Remember that he won’t be starting over the next three in Pittsburgh.
– Derek Holland was placed on the 60 day DL down here in Texas. After what happened last year, and then losing Darvish for the season in Spring Training, I guess nothing is unexpected.
– Braves are the only 5-0 team in the NL.
– Adrian Gonzalez is on pace for 162 HR and 227 RBIs.
Today’s Lineup against lefty TJ House:
1) Davis, CF
2) Kinsler, 2B
3) Cabrera, 1B
4) Martinez, V DH
5) Martinez, J RF
6) Cespedes LF
7) Castellanos, 3B
8) McCann, C
9) Iglesias, SS
Baseball Reference Game Preview here.:
Game 2015.5: Tigers at Indians
The Tigers doubled up the Indians last night to move to 4-0, which is becoming custom around here. This marks the third time in four years that the Tigers have started off 4-0. Can’t really complain about that.
Now, again, it is early, but there is a lot to like about this history-making 4-0 start. The pitching has been tremendous, the hitting has been awesome, and yesterday afternoon, the Tigers faced staved off the club’s first bit of adversity. After buidling a 5-0 lead, the Indians rattled off 5 straight hits with one out in the 6th to get as close as 5-3. Al Al came in with runners on 1st and 2nd, and after starting the count 1-2, saw Gomes work the count to 3-2. Walking Gomes would have put the go ahead run on 1st and sent the home crowd into an opening day frenzy. But Gomes bounced into a not so routine double play on the next pitch, and then the Tigers took advantage of Indians’ miscues in the top of the 7th to get to 8-3. The Indians got another in the 8th to get to the final of 8-4.
Every game has a critical moment or two which serves as a pivot point for the outcome. I believe that the Alburquerque pitch on 3-2 to induce a double play was the one yesterday.
The Indians moved up Kluber, so we get a matchup of Price v. Kluber this afternoon. Should be great.
Hope you’re enjoying your Saturday.
Game 2015.4: Tigers at Indians
Well, this is fun!
The Tigers continue their march towards 162-0 by racking up a nearly perfect victory against the Twins. By not allowing a run until the 7th (and an unearned one at that), the Tigers set the AL record for consecutive shutout innings to start a season at 24. And they were a Cespedes get your knees down away from still hanging on to that shutout start.
But no matter, b/c the club played as well as it could have for the opening series of the season, and all is well in DTW-ville.
Guess who is leading the AL in OPS? Take a look up there… I mean, sample size, I know. But we needed a picture.
So the Tigers fly to Cleveland (or flew to Cleveland) for a 3 game set against the Indians. The Indians seem to be the new darlings of the AL under Tito Francona, and have been picked by many to win the Central this year (though so has everyone else except for the Twins). I don’t think that a series in early April can really be a barometer for the whole season, but expect the Indians to put up a few runs, maybe even in the first game.
Probables (all times Central):
Today – 3:10 PM – Alfredo Simon v. Zach McAllister
Saturday – 3:05 PM – David Price v. T.J. House
Sunday – 12:10 PM – Kyle Lobstein v. Corey Kluber
Flipping through the SI 2015 Preview…
Some thoughts as I flip through this weeks Sports Illustrated MLB Preview ’15…
(projections by Rotowire.com)
– Salvador Perez and Greg Holland are on the cover for my regional issue. SI picks the Royals to finish 4th in the AL Central. Says a lot about the state of baseball in Texas.
– SI is choosing Cleveland to win it all. Last time SI did that it was 1997 and the Indians finished last.
– 88 wins was enough for the Giants to win the WS last year. 100 win teams are a thing of the past in this era of competitive balance. In the past decade there were 4 100 win teams. The decade before that there were 17. I think that 90 is our number.
– SI predicts that only 3 AL teams will win more than 90 games. The Tigers sneak in as the 2nd WC winner after finishing 87-75. Doesn’t sound too unreasonable to me. Our window is closing. We gotta get to the end of the season with no holes in the lineup and a bullpen.
– Rick Porcello is slotted as the #2 starter for Boston, and he’s predicted to win 14 games and finish with a 3.68 ERA and 1.23 WHIP. JV has been given the same amount of wins, but a worse ERA and WHIP. Though Porcello has a much better defense behind them, so I’m not ready to say that the computer thinks Porcello is a better pitcher.
– SI has 5 Tigers penciled in for 79+ RBI (Kins, Miggy, VMart, Cespedes, J.D). The scout who spoke about the Tigers says that Miggy’s in his best shape in years. Lots of talk about how bad the bullpen is, with some hope that Rondon can be the savior. Verlander’s K/9 prediction is 8.0. I would be thrilled with that.
– White Sox are picked to finish third in the Division. Everyone really likes Cabrera/LaRoche/Samardzija/Robertson. Man would I have loved to get a guy like Robertson.
– Based on the individual predictions, I don’t really see why the Royals would be any worse this year than last. But SI has them at 78-84.
– Matt Joyce is slotted to bat 4th for the Angels. A modest .753 OPS, but still, 4th.
– The bottom of the AL West is going to be bad. My hometown Rangers and the Astros are going to run a lot of guys out there this year.
– SI doesn’t predict any pitcher in the AL to have more than 15 wins. Price is one of the 15 game winners.
Charting the Rest of Justin Verlander’s Career
Let’s be honest. Justin Verlander was awful last year. His ace title has been removed across baseball, and I don’t think there is anyone in Detroit who thinks he’s the best pitcher on the staff right now. He definitely wasn’t worth $20M last year, and we certainly don’t want Verlander’s contract to anchor a ship full of bad contracts sailing for Philly status (spoiler alert, we’re not there yet).
But can he get back to where we want him to be? I certainly want to believe so.
Using Baseball-Reference WAR crunched in Excel, in 2014 Justin Verlander ranked 41 out of 47 qualifying starters (>150 IP) with a WAR of 1.1. His ERA+ of 88 was the lowest of his career, and his K/9 dropped by a full two points from 2013 to 6.9. As a result, his K/BB was 2.45, the worst it’s been in 5 seasons. He was the 7th worst starter in the AL last year. We would have been disappointed had he been the 7th beset. Hard to justify $20M for that.
I should point out, however, that using FanGraphs WAR rankings for 2014 AL qualifying starters, he finished 15 out of 39. The reason for this is that JV’s FIP ERA (a stat that FanGraphs relies heavily upon) was 3.74 (contrast that with 18 game winner Jered Weaver’s FIP 4.19). Despite FanGraphs’ favorable algorithm, I think we can all agree that there is reason to be concerned. (All other WAR references below come from Baseball-Reference.)
So what’s coming next?
Verlander turned 32 yesterday. He still has plenty of good years left, but what we can really expect? To get an idea, I decided to take a look at similar pitchers and how they performed from age 32 on. I had it in my mind that I was going to have to spend hours compiling the data, but Baseball-References’ similar pitchers and similarity score tools made finding the data a cinch. You could get lost in the formulas and applicability, but to simplify things, I focused on similar pitchers through age 31. Thus, instead of the pitchers whose career was most similar to JV, or any pitcher who had a single season age-wise most similar to JV, I looked at pitchers who, through age 31, were the most similar to JV. The top 10, starting with the most similar:
– Mike Mussina
– Tim Hudson
– John Smoltz
– Jack Morris
– Tom Glavine
– Andy Pettite
– Dwight Gooden
– Josh Beckett
– Ramon Martinez
– Dennis Leonard
Using the amazing tools at Baseball-Reference, I was easily able to pull up the career stats for these 10 pitchers from age 32 on: Average of 6 additional seasons (though very few had a productive final season), 16.6 WAR, 3.85 ERA, and 111 ERA+. That translates to a WAR of 2.76 per year. Assuming a value of $6M per win (there’s a great discussion on value per win here, if you’re into that sort of thing), then $20M per year isn’t quite so atrocious. But it’s not a great deal by any means. Remember, he’s signed through 2019 with a vesting option in 2020.
So, okay. Maybe this can work. 16.6 WAR left isn’t so bad, and 4 of those 10 pitchers had WARs of 25+ from age 32 on. Eyeballing the median, it looks to be around 15, so 16.6 is probably a reasonable expectation. If JV pitches at least 5 more seasons (like Mussina, Hudson, Smoltz, Morris, Glavine and Pettite did), his expected WAR from today on jumps to 26. I’ll definitely take that.
So now I’m feeling pretty good.
But JV is a power pitcher, and the drop in velocity on his heater and his resulting inability to strike people out is terrifying. For the four seasons prior to 2014, his K/9 was consistently between 8.8 and 9. Last year’s precipitous drop to 6.9 a legitimate cause for concern. With this in mind I took a closer look at the power pitchers from the list above to see if they had similar decreases in K/9, and then what they accomplished from age 32 on.
Including Verlander – the top 4 career K/9 from the list above are…do you wanna guess? (this is a fun game)…
1) Beckett 8.47
2) Verlander 8.33
3) Smoltz 7.84
4) Gooden 7.70 (man did he decline quickly)
So there are three left to analyze.
Josh Beckett. Beckett’s K/9 dropped from 8.9 to 7.0 from age 28 to 32. It wasn’t as rapid as what we saw with JV, but Beckett did experience a similar decline . It rebounded nicely over his final three years, but that was after he got shipped to the NL (note I haven’t done any further study into whether there should be an NL/AL adjustment, but I’m guessing there are at least 1-1.5 opposing pitchers Kd per game). His walk rate stayed about the same after 32. From age 32-34 he went 13-25, with a 4.10 ERA. His WAR over those final 3 years was 2.3. Total. Beckett retired last October and let’s pray that he’s not a good comp for JV.
John Smoltz. Smoltzie had an incredibly productive 10 years from age 32 to 42. Well, 32-40, as 41 and 42 were kind of lost. He posted a combined WAR of 27.8, a 3.27 ERA (NL), his K rate actually went up during that time, by about 5% and his walk rate went down by 28%. At ages 38, 39, and 40, Smoltz posted WARs of 4.9, 5.9, 4.6, which are 3 of the top 5 seasons of his career. John Smoltz as a baseline is very encouraging.
Doc Gooden. Doc pitched until he was 36. None of those last 4 years were any good. 4.87 ERA, WAR of 4, a 25% decline in K rate, and a 45% increase in his BB rate. Gooden’s K rate dropped from 8.6 at age 25, to 7.1 the next year. Excluding an injury filled season when he was 29 and only pitched 41 innings his K rate never rose above 6.9 after that. So while we have obvious performance reasons to exclude Doc, I don’t think he’s a great comparison from a similarity through age 31 standpoint.
Also note that the average velocity on Verlander’s fastball has fallen steadily from 95.6 in 2009, to 93.1 in 2014 and he had been able to adjust to the dip until last year. So perhaps last year really is an outlier in terms of K/9. For example, maybe his breaking ball wasn’t as sharp, or he became more predictable in certain counts. All questions for another day.
In conclusion, we have two ways of looking at the data above. If we’re just looking at comparable pitchers through age 32, then we have cause to think that JV can be above average for 6 years, or even great for 6-8 years provided he lasts at least 4 years. This isn’t entirely assuring, but the odds aren’t bad.
Narrowing down the list above to the top 3 K pitchers presents a dichotomy. He’s Josh Beckett and out of baseball in 3 years, or he’s John Smoltz and still has Cy Young worth years ahead of time. (At this point in time, I’m sure he’s not Doc Gooden).
Overall, I’ll say I feel a little better about things than when I started. But the analysis above has presented me with a few new thoughts which I’ll explore later this year. Off the top of my head: 1) Were there other dominant factors which can help explain the K/9? 2) Did other power pitchers ever experience such large drops in K/9 and were they able to rebound? 3) How has his pitch selection changed? and, 4) Is his fastball his best pitch? And I will be paying very close attention to his velocity and strikeouts this spring.
Clearing My Head for 2015
Hello Friends –
I hope everyone enjoyed the break. It’s been a while since I’ve written anything of substance, partly because I still can’t get over the 8th inning of Game 1 of the LDS, but mostly due to Daily Fantasy Sports leagues.
Pitchers and Catchers report in four days. I’ve got a few pressing thoughts that I want to get out before then, though I expect them to trickle over into pitchers fielding practice.
My first thought is that Justin Verlander may never be an elite pitcher again. Working on that now.
“People ask me what I do in winter when there’s no baseball. I’ll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring.”
– Rogers Hornsby
VMart to Undergo Knee Surgery
Not what I wanted for our first post of 2015.
DTW News and Notes 12-2-14
Throwing up a new thread to post notes ahead of the winter meetings.
In case you missed it, Torii Hunter back to the Twins. One year for $10.5M. The Tigers did not make him an offer. Bummer that he never won a ring.
There’s been some other news recently, let’s get it going in the comments.
Hope everyone’s holiday season is off to a great start.