Tiger DiPS

Jay Jaffe at Futility Infielder has compiled and published Defense Independent Pitching stats for 2004. As I always do when I see fresh stats, I scroll to find out if there is anything interesting to be learned about Tiger players. Fortunately for Tiger fans, there is some good news in here. But first, a little DiPS background.

For those that haven’t heard about Defense Independent Pitching it is an idea promoted/discovered by Voros McCracken. The theory is that pitchers do not differ significantly in their ability to prevent hits on balls in play. DiPS is a way of looking at the things that a pitcher can control without the help of defense (strikeouts, walks, homers, hit batsmen) and combining it with league averages for balls in play to see what a pitcher’s stats would look like with typical “luck” and a typical defense behind him. It is also adjusted for park effects. The resulting calculated ERA (noted as DiPS or FIP, or dERA) has been shown to correlate better with the subsequent season’s ERA, than using the traditional ERA. This is just a very quick explanation. For more detail be sure to read Jaffe’s article that accompanies the stats.

As for how this applies to the Tigers, the following table has the defense independent stats for the Tigers’ starters last year. Defense independent ERA is dERA. Earned runs above replacement is a measure of how many runs better than a replacement level pitcher the pitcher was last year. The d-E column is a measure of how the DiPS stats compare to the actual ERA. A negative number indicates that the pitcher was hurt by some combination of bad luck or bad defense.
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Most surprising on this list is Jason Johnson, who was widely regarded as the Tigers’ weakest starter last year (despite a handful of very impressive performances). Johnson was among the league leaders in misfortune last year with an actual ERA three quarters of a run higher than his dERA. With a league average dERA of 4.63, it actually makes Johnson an above average pitcher. One pitcher who had even more bad luck was Derek Lowe who’s dERA was a full run lower than his actual ERA. His dERA of 4.40 is almost identical to Johnson’s. Fortunately, it will cost us $4 million for one more year for Johnson’s services as opposed to $36 million over 4 years for Lowe’s.

Jeremy Bonderman’s dERA of 4.37 is a big improvement over last year’s 4.81. At the age of 22 it is another indication that this guy maybe on the road to stardom.

Mike Maroth’s dERA is .44 worse than his actual ERA. However, he still showed great improvement last year as his 2003 dERA was 5.54.

By dERA Nate Robertson was a slightly below average pitcher last year. It was only his first full year in the rotation however. He struckout plenty of guys, but was hurt by home runs and some fatigue down the stretch.

So the good news is that while the Tigers didn’t have a dominant starter last year, the guys 1-4 were all average to above average. Also, all the Tigers starters showed improvement over the previous year. The bad news is that the Tigers pitching staff was victimized by poor defense. In looking at dER’s and actual ER’s there is a gap of 30 runs. Unfortunately the Tigers weren’t able to significantly bolster their defense this offseason.

Central Park Factors

A couple posts ago I looked at an article that Rob Neyer wrote about how Derek Lowe may be a good fit for Dodger Stadium. I then made the comment that he wouldn’t be a good fit for the Tigers because Comerica yielded few homers and lots of other extra base hits. Of course I made that comment based completely on subjective gut opinion.

I decided to take a closer look at how Comerica park actually played last year. It turns out that Comerica, while it did yield more triples than any other park, was actually the second hardest place in the majors to get a double. I don’t have a clue as to why this is. It may be that some of the doubles turn into triples because of the depth of centerfield. It may be that because the outfield is so spacious the outfielders play deeper an will concede some singles to reduce doubles. I’m not sure what the cause is, but it is interesting nonetheless.

I took it a step further and decided to look at how all 5 parks in the AL Central play. This is relevant because the Tigers will play about 70% of their games between Comerica, US Cellular, the Metrodome, Kauffman, and the Jake. Based on ESPN’s park factor statistics, I compiled the following table of how each stadium ranks for each type of event:

If ever there was a division for a fly ball, home run prone pitcher to have success in (or hide), it would be the Central. With the exception of the launching pad that is Chicago’s US Cellular Field, the other stadiums all rank in the bottom third of the majors in homers allowed.

While from a runs perspective the Metrodome is a hitters park, it isn’t a slugger’s paradise. Across the board it doesn’t yield a lot of extra base hits. I’m guessing that the Metrodome allows more turf fueled singles than its counterparts.

The Jake is a tough place to find a hit, unless it’s doubles you’re looking for. For some reason it is also one of the top places to get a walk. Kauffman meanwhile, has a similar, though less dramatic effect, as Comerica when it comes to extra base hits.

This homerun suppression across the division (of course Chicago is the exception) may be another reason that players are staying away from the Central. It is also a reason to be cautious when pursuing Magglio Ordonez who, while still a very good hitter, has probably benefitted from his home park.

Other Stuff
-To make room for Vance Wilson on the 40 man roster, the Tigers DFA’d Alexis Gomez last week. Today he was outrighted to Toledo. He will be invited to spring training as a non-roster invitee.
-When I’ve covered Tigers’ roster composition in the past, I’ve mentioned that they only have 3 players signed beyond next year. That’s almost correct. Dmitri Young has two option years remaining. The option in 2006 is for $8.5 million, and 2007 is $7 million. I’m not sure about the type of the option for the second year, but the 2006 option is based on playing time in 2005. Unfortunately I don’t know what the game or plate appearance threshold is for that to kick in.

My interview with Dave Dombrowski

Tigers President/CEO/General Manager David Dombrowski was kind enough to do an interview with DTW. The discussion touched on trends from the off-season, player development, and a look forward to the 2005 season. The theme throughout is that if the Tigers are going to have success, the improvement will have to come from within the organization.

Despite the Tigers and other AL Central teams trying to acquire free agents this offseason, once again most of those players migrated to the coasts. New York and Boston can offer players more money and the chance to play for a winning team. The west coast can offer players a great place to live, and in some cases a truck load of money (LA, Seattle, and somehow Arizona). The Central can offer a colder climate and much less money. Dombrowski recognizes this, “For the clubs [in the Central division] from a financial perspective it’s hard to compete for players with the upper echelon clubs because the dollars just aren’t there. You have to practice some fiscal responsibility. To be successful you’ll have to have successful farm systems. Minnesota has had success with their farm system. Cleveland is starting to have success as well. There may be occasional situations when people come to your city, but you have to develop players.”

Unfortunately for the Tigers, they have had difficulty producing talent from the farm system for more than a decade. While Tigers fans might not see money being invested in marquee free agents this year, there is an investment going towards improving the Tigers’ talent base. The Tigers hired David Chadd from Boston to become their new scouting director, and James Orr as Assistant Scouting Director. They have also increased their presence in Latin America. The Tigers have tried to “be more aggressive in signing players,” said Dombrowski who mentioned prospect Wilken Ramirez as an example. The Tigers also have improved facilities to work with in the Dominican Republic. They are now leasing Luis Rijo’s baseball facility which is a “much nicer place to bring players to and train them,” according to Dombrowski.

For Tigers fans that are tired of watching losing baseball, the investment in the minors may be of little consolation. To that end the Tigers did pursue free agents this year, but they didn’t get in all out bidding wars and avoided contracts that may be regrettable (i.e. Juan Gonzalez who was offered an 8 year contract by the Tigers is looking to sign a minor league deal now). The Tigers are in a “very solid position going forward,” Dombrowski said. The Tigers only have 3 players under contract beyond this season (Guillen, Percival, Rodriguez). What’s more, is that the Tigers young core of Infante, Bonderman, Maroth, Robertson, Ledezma, and others will still be at least 2 years away from free agency.

When asked if he felt additional pressure to build off the momentum of last season’s improvement, and capitalize on the increased revenue with the All Star game Dombrowski replied, “No, I don?t feel any additional pressure. I don’t think this year makes it different than any other year. You always want to put the best team out there. We’ve had some good things happen. What will continue the interest in the club is the club’s continued improvement.” Dombrowski believes that the club will continue to improve through the improvement of the young players. The thinking is that if the veterans can make their core contributions (performances typical of their career), the resulting improvement will come from the continued growth of the young players.

Two players who are looking to join that young core, Chris Spurling and Fernando Rodney, both underwent arm surgeries. Dombrowski said that both are progressing well. Spurling was throwing during the instructional league and Rodney is right on track. Alex Sanchez who missed the second half of the year with a hamstring injury is fully recovered.

As for Dombrowski’s takes on the off-season:
On the length and price of contracts and how if insuring contracts is still an issue:
“The insurability hasn’t changed. It is still out there. It may be that more clubs are willing to take the risk.”

On why more clubs haven’t worked out contracts similar to Pudge’s that have an out clause for specific injuries:
“Without getting into all of the details, it was a rather unique situation in Pudge’s case. A lot of things would have to fall into place.”

On the surge in big, long term contracts:
“Every year the off-season seems to take its own direction. You’re never sure what to anticipate. The industry had a healthy year last year. Also, a lot of contracts came off the books this year. It surprised me to the extent that the dollars and length went up.”

I’d like to thank Mr. Dombrowski for taking the time to talk with me. As someone who has watched this team closely for a long time, it is great to see members of the organization take such an interest in their fans. Keep in mind that this is a “fan site.” While I try to post news and insightful commentary (big emphasis on “try”) I’m by no means a journalist. Mr. Dombrowski had no obligation to spend time talking to me, and I wouldn’t have been the least bit offended if he declined my request.

Seth speaks about…Me, and some more Derek Lowe

Seth Stohs of Seth Speaks fame was really having a hard time thinking of something to write about, so he interviewed me. I’ve considered doing a little “about the author” thing so you could get to know me better. Seth was kind enough to take care of that for me, and in probably a much more structured way than I would have. So if you want to know more about me go read Seth’s post, and really Seth does a great job all the time so you should consider reading him regularly.

Derek Lowe
I’ve done enough railing against Derek Lowe. However, Rob Neyer wrote a pretty interesting piece about the Derek Lowe signing, and why Paul DePodesta may have done it. It’s an Insider article, so I’ll just give you the jist. Neyer points out that Lowe’s peripherals didn’t really change much from 2003 to 2004 so you would expect his performance to be similar both years. However, his BABIP jumped up tremendously in 2004 which in large part could be attributed to luck, (or bad luck). So 2004 probably isn’t indicative of his true talent level, and it’s probably closer to his performance in 2003 when he was a pretty good pitcher.

The other part of the article is why Lowe is a good fit for the Dogers, and Dodger stadium. Dodger stadium is widely considered a pitchers park. The reason for this is that it seems to eliminate doubles and triples. However, it is a pretty easy place to hit a home run. Derek Lowe’s strength, aside from being an extreme ground ball pitcher, is limiting home runs. Voila, a perfect fit.

Comerica park seems to have the opposite effect. It suppresses home runs, but is a great doubles and triples park so Lowe probably wouldn’t be as valuable to the Tigers as he is to the Dodgers. In any case, it is a great look at the power of park effects.

Tigers Sign Carlos….Pena

The Tigers signed a Scott Boras client named Carlos today. They agreed to a one year deal with Pena. I don’t have the terms yet, but I’ll update when I do. This means that the Tigers have inked their 3 arbitration eligible players (Inge and Sanchez were the others) to one year deals.

UPDATE The contract is 2.575 million with a 25k bonus for 625 plate apperances.

Pena showed some life after the All Star break last year hitting 250/362/513. While he struck out a whole bunch, he did improve his plate awareness garnering a walk every 8 plate appearances. Offensively last year he was an about average first baseman, so $2.6 million shouldn’t be too bad heading into his age 27 season.

UPDATE 2 With the signings of Martinez, Pena, and Wilson the Tigers have 15 players under contract for next year. I couldn’t find Wilson’s contract, but he made $720,000 last year. The Tigers payroll for the 15 players under contract is $56 million. The other 10 players who will be on the big league roster (barring trades of course) are all “renewable.” The total cost of those 10 will be about $4 million (give or take a half million). That puts the payroll for the big league roster right at $60 million as it currently stands.

Around the Internet

I’m lazy today, so I’ll just send you guys to some interesting stuff I’ve seen lately:

Baseball America Scouts vs. Stats: Allan Schwarz leads a roundtable discussion with Voros McCracken (Mr. DiPS and Red Sox consultant), Gary Huckabay (BP writer and A’s consultant), Gary Hughes (Cubs Assistant GM), and Eddie Bane (Angels Scouting Director) about evaluation techniques.

Brian and the Nationals. Brian makes his second apperance at the Hardball Times detailing how an Expo becomes a National. Also, check out his comparison of Ryne Sandberg and Lou Whitaker at Tigerblog. Whitaker was always my favorite player, so I of course think he should be a HoF’er. However, knowing my bias I try to be reserved about Whitaker so it’s nice to see other people sharing my feelings.

The Oakland Press doesn’t have the readership of the News and the Freep, but for Tigers coverage maybe it should. Crystal Evola has had a pretty good week covering the Tigs. On Wednesday, Crystal had the quotes of Dombrowski saying that the Tigers weren’t pursuing Beltran. The Free Press, News, and sports talk radio didn’t pick it up until yesterday. Then today, she was the only source to include Dombrowski’s comments on Anderson Hernandez.

“We think he has a chance to play at the big league level,” Dombrowski said of Hernandez. “He should play at the big league level, but it’s a situation where you have to give something up to get something, and we feel we have depth in the middle infield at the big league level.”

-Another Hardball Times article from last week took a look at one out guys. While Trammell received lots of criticism for bullpen utilization, his use of pitchers to come in and face only guy was pretty successful. The Tigers brought in pitchers 33 times last year to face only one batter. Those 33 batters faced resulted in 32 outs. If you wanted to know who was best at this, check out Steve Colyer who was called on 11 times to face one batter, and came away with 11 outs.

Tigers Acquire Wilson

The Tigers made a trade today to acquire a backup catcher. They traded minor league shortstop Anderson Hernandez for Mets backup catcher Vance Wilson. Wilson is a solid player who hit 274/335/427 last year in 79 games. Wilson is also a solid defender.

Hernandez will be 22 and played shortstop for Erie last season. Throughout his minor league career, he has hit for a decent average but with very little power. Baseball America ranked Hernandez as the Tigers best infield defender and their best infield arm.

This pretty much signals that Inge won’t be catching for the Tigers again. Either the plan is for him to be the starting third baseman for awhile, or they plan to trade him. Also, it may speak highly of Tony Giarrtano’s progress. Giarrtano will most likely take Hernandez’s place at Erie next season.

The Tigers filled a need at an affordable price.

With this move, the position players on the big league roster have been identified. If the Tigers carry 12 pitchers, the position players will be:

Ivan Rodriguez
Vance Wilson

Carlos Pena
Omar Infante
Carlos Guillen
Brandon Inge
Ramon Martinez
Jason Smith

Rondell White
Alex Sanchez
Bobby Higginson
Craig Monroe
Dmitri Young

Barring injuries or trades, I don’t really see this changing. I would say that Sanchez’s spot on the roster is the most tenuous. If Granderson performs very well in spring training there is a chance he may beat out Sanchez. This also doesn’t bode well for Nook Logan to stay with the big club (at least initially).

Infield news, among other stuff

The Tigers today signed some bench depth in Ramon Martinez. Martinez agreed to a one year deal worth $1.025 million. Jason Beck quoted Dave Dombrowski as saying:

“We like Ramon Martinez. He’s established. He can play all three infield positions really well. With him being a right-handed hitter and Jason Smith batting left-handed, it’s a good fit.”

This is a solid signing from a utility/platoon standpoint as Dombrowski mentioned. Martinez is an average fielder at second base, a below average fielder at third, and he’s above average at shortstop according to Baseball Prospectus Fielding Runs. He’ll be 32 next season and his career offensive numbers are a respectable 268/330/387.

In 2005 the Tigers won’t have a Rule 5 pick occupying a roster spot, so they can afford to carry an extra utility infielder. Also, Jason Beck reports today that Fernando Vina won’t be ready for spring training. It sounds like if Vina is still a member of the team, he’ll more than likely be on the 60 day DL which means he won’t be counted against the 40 man roster.

The Fame Game
Congratulations go out to Wade Boggs and Ryne Sandberg on their Hall of Fame induction. Meanwhile, Jack Morris and Alan Trammell received little support. Trammell appeared on 13% of the ballots which doesn’t bode well for his future chances. He needs some success managing the Tigers to draw attention to his exceptional career.

At least Trammell is still on the ballot. Whitaker was eliminated his first year on the ballot despite having comparable numbers to Ryne Sandberg.

Finally there is Jack Morris, who also has a solid case. I don’t think it’s as clear cut as Trammell’s, yet Morris was on 33% of the ballots. Unlike Trammell, who is the most deserving eligible shortstop not in the Hall, Morris isn’t the best eligible starter waiting in the wings. That would have to be Bert Blyleven. Until Blyleven gets in (if he gets in) I’ll have a hard time arguing vehemently for Morris.

Mags and Riches

It looks like the Tigers best chances to land a big free agent bat are:

1. Offer Beltran the 10 year, $200 million that Boras is asking for

or

2. Take a shot at an injured Magglio Ordonez

As much as I’d like to get Beltran, the Tigers won’t be handing out any 10 year deals. As a result, Ordonez is a much more realistic option. The only reason Ordonez doesn’t have a 5 year $60 million dollar contract in hand already is due to concerns about his knees. Last year Ordonez had to undergo knee surgery. Unfortunately a complication called bone marrow edema required a second surgery. His health so far is unknown because agent Scott Boras cancelled a scheduled workout during the winter meetings, which isn’t a good sign.

If the Tigers can work out a creative contract, Ordonez is a risk worth taking. Ordonez’s career numbers are 307/364/525 and he has remained healthy thoughout his career until last year. From 1998-2003 he played in more than 145 games each year. As an outfielder, he is an average fielder.

Ordonez will be 31 next year so some dropoff over the next few years is possible, but he’d still be an upgrade if healthy. Another concern with Ordonez’s production is that he has played in hitter friendly US Cellular field. While he does hit better at home with an OPS of 978, he is still a pretty good hitter on the road with an 895 OPS over the last 3 years.

Because Ordonez was never really known as a speed player, even if he’s slower than before, it isn’t taking away a significant portion of his game. As long as the bat and batting eye are still there, Ordonez will be a valuable player.

The drawbacks are that corner outfield isn’t a pressing need for the Tigers. While a healthy Ordonez would be a clear upgrade over White/Higginson/Monroe the Tigers can get by with what they’ve got. Plus the fact that Higginson’s contract can’t be moved would mean the Tigers would be paying a ton for the right field position. It won’t solve the problems in centerfield, third base, ,or back up catcher.

All that being said, Ordonez is the Tigers best shot at improving their lineup. Other teams are staying away, and if the Tigers are the only bidder willing to offer multiple years that will give them some leverage. The trick is managing the health risk.

Ordonez’s knees can’t be insured. What the Tigers need to do is structure a deal similar to Pudge’s. There was no way that the Tigers would be able to fully insure Rodriguez’s 4 year contract. John Westhoff got creative and had an out for the Tigers if Rodriguez’s back problem flared up. Now I don’t know for sure, but it probably became possible for the Tigers to then insure the rest of Rodriguez. If the Tigers could negotiate a similar out for Magglio’s knees, that reduces the risk and may make the contract insurable. Another tactic could be to offer a one year contract where a second year vests based on games played.

With some creativity to mitigate the risk, Ordonez is worth taking a shot at.

Non baseball stuff
I received season 4 of the Simpsons for Christmas and I’m just amazed at how many of my favorite episodes are in 4. The Monorail, Mr. Plow, Homer skipping church, Whacking Day, the one where Homer gets busted for DOA (or DUI, I always get those mixed up). That’s about as good as it gets.

Carlos Guillen – Breakthrough Season or Peak Season?

As I often do when I’m trying to avoid doing real work, I’ll head over to Baseball Reference and start poking around on stat pages. I took a look at Carlos Guillen’s because of his remarkable season last year. One of the great features of BR, is the list of comparison players. I wanted to see who Guillen was similar to at this stage of his career. The list was far from encouraging with the likes of Julio Lugo, Adam Kennedy, Dickie Thon, and Neifi Perez among others.

One name that did catch my attention is Rich Aurilia. As Tiger fans remember, Detroit pursued Aurilia only to see him sign with Seattle. Of course, Guillen became expendable from Seattle’s viewpoint and the Tigers were the beneficiary.

The other thing that most remember about Aurilia is his tremendous season in 2001 in which he hit 37 homers, had an OPS+ of 148, and made the All Star team. Aurilia’s season came out of nowhere, and he hasn’t come close to approaching those numbers again. Considering that Carlos Guillen had a 2004 season that far surpassed what he had totaled to that point in his career, I thought it would be worthwhile to take a look at how the two compared.


Before Peak
Age Games BA OBP SLG RC RC/27
Guillen 22-27 488 .264 .331 .383 211 4.33
Aurilia 23-28 575 .270 .324 .419 260 4.74


Peak
Age Games BA OBP SLG RC RC/27
Guillen 28 136 .318 .379 .542 107 7.62
Aurilia 29 156 .324 .369 .572 134 8.00


Post Peak
Age Games BA OBP SLG RC RC/27
Guillen 29-?? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???
Aurilia 30-32 386 .261 .313 .395 178 4.22

Aurilia broke in with the Giants at age 23. Guillen beat him by a year and came up at 22. Over the first 6 years of their careers, they hit for a similar batting average. Guillen was slightly better at getting on base, but Aurilia hit for more power reaching 20 homers in both 1999 and 2000.

Then came the big breakout seasons. Aurilia’s occured at age 29. His RC/27 (runs created per 27 outs, basically the number of runs a team of 9 Aurilia’s would score in a game). jumped 69% from his pre-peak seasons. His OPS jumped 27% from his career to date numbers.

Guillen’s big season (so far, hopefully there will be more) came at age 28. Like Aurilia, Guillen’s numbers for batting average, on base average, and slugging percentage all jumped tremendously. His RC/27 increased 76%, and his OPS jumped 29%.

Here’s the downer. While we don’t know what the future holds for Carlos Guillen we can look at what happened to Rich Aurilia after his big season. In the three seasons since his 2001 peak season, his numbers are actually worse than they were prior to the peak. Despite signing a brand new contract with Seattle last year, his performance was so bad, they released him midseason.

Rich Aurilia’s collapse after an All Star season doesn’t mean that the same thing will occur with Guillen. Guillen is a year younger than Aurilia was during their respective big seasons which could be a good sign. Also Guillen’s big season came after a change of scenery where Aurilia’s came in the middle of his tenure with the Giants. Guillen’s role in Seattle was never clearly defined, and when he came to Detroit he knew he’d be the starting shortstop. Also Guillen’s success wasn’t predicated on a cushy lineup spot (Aurilia was in the same lineup with Bonds and Kent who both slugged over .500). The Tigers offense was pretty good last year, but Guillen hit in all of the first 7 spots in the order.

In looking forward to next season, my guess is that Guillen won’t repeat his 2004 performance, but I also don’t see him falling off completely like Aurilia did. I’m thinking that Guillen’s power numbers will be sustained or only slip slightly because the increase in slugging came not only from home runs, but from an increase in extra base hits across the board. His average, may dip some which would drag down his on base average as well. Then again, what do I know. I thought Eric Munson was going to put it all together last year.

Merry Christmas

I don’t have a whole lot to say on a case by case basis with the recent transactions (and non-transactions). Those being the Inge and Sanchez contracts, the Munson non-tender, and Drew going to LA. Well, actually I have quite a bit to say. Unfortunately I don’t have the time or energy to address it prior to Christmas. So I just want to wish everybody a Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays.

The Tender deadline, Derek Lowe, and Just a Little more Beltre

Today is the deadline for teams to tender contracts to players with less than six years of of service. Players that are arbitration eligible, who aren’t tendered contracts are then able to sign with other teams. To be arbitration eligble a player needs between 3 and six years of big league service time, or be in the top sixth of players with 2+ years of service (super 2’s). For the Tigers, those players are Alex Sanchez, Brandon Inge, and Carlos Pena.

John Lowe reports today that the Tigers are expected to tender a contract to Alex Sanchez. However, the chances of Sanchez playing for the Tigers remain small. By offering a contract, it allows the Tigers more time to try and trade Sanchez. It also provides an insurance policy in caae the Tigers can’t find another centerfielder via free agency or trade, and it keeps them from having to rush Curtis Granderson. Fortunately, the contract doesn’t become guaranteed until the start of the season. So the Tigers can cut him during spring training, and only owe him a portion of his salary (30 days of salary if prior to 16 days before start of season, and 45 days of salary if less than 16 days prior to season).

It is expected that Brandon Inge, who right now is slated to be the starting third baseman, and Carlos Pena will be tendered contracts.

Given the Tigers struggles in acquiring free agents, I’m sure they’ll be scanning this new crop of available players to try and find some bargains.

Derek Lowe
Yesterday was the deadline for free agents who had been offered arbitration by their former team to accept arbitration. Derek Lowe was offered arbitration by the Red Sox, and he declined it. Thus ending his career in Boston. This also takes another potential team out of the Derek Lowe sweepstakes which is bad news for the Tigers.

The last thing I’ll write about Beltre
On Friday I lamented the fact that it seemed like the Tigers didn’t pursue Beltre hard enough (if at all). Well it’s a good thing I stuck that paragraph in at the end conceding the fact that I didn’t have access to all the information. Two reports this weekend state that Beltre wasn’t going to leave the west coast.

Gammons reported that the World Series champion Red Sox couldn’t get him either, at least not at less than $14 million per year

The reason the Mariners had to go to $13 million for five years with Adrian Beltre is that that’s where the Red Sox went with Scott Boras. Boston planned to plug the 25-year-old star in at third and go for a cheaper shortstop until Hanley Ramirez is ready, but Beltre preferred the West Coast and wanted $14 million a year over five seasons to go to Boston.

Just think what the Tigers would have had to offer. John Lowe has sources that say the Tigers would have been willing to go even higher:

It is not known how high the Tigers were willing to go for Beltre. One person with knowledge of the Tigers’ thinking said the club would have ultimately offered upwards of $90 million, presumably for six or seven years.

So at least it makes me feel better that the Tigers were in, and in competitively. It doesn’t sound like we had a shot at Beltre, at least not a price that would have still made the signing a positive. It’s one thing to overpay a guy an extra million or two on a two year deal, it’s a whole different thing to be on the hook for an extra $15 million over 5 years. And it seems that even winning teams in warm climates don’t always get their guy either. In Gammons same piece he notes that Koskie took less money to sign with Toronto than what he was offered in LA:

The Dodgers had a pretty good idea they would lose Beltre, as they bid $20 million for Corey Koskie, but the third baseman took $17 million from the Blue Jays.

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